This is from a transcript of the CFTC Roundtable Discussion of Individual Customer Collateral Protection on Oct. 22, 2010.
As you may recall, Edith O'Brien is the Assistant Treasurer of MF Global whom Jon Corzine identified in his own Congressional testimony as the key manager over fund transfers of monies, and who has been recently subpoenaed to appear before the House.
In talking down to the 'myopic' particpants, Edith O'Brien makes the point that there are interconnected layers of protections for customer accounts, making the misuse or misappropriation of customer assets highly unlikely.
This transcript is followed by brief excerpts of the Nov 2011 and Fed 2012 testimony of the CFTC to the Congress about MF Global.
Ms. Edith O'Brien: "That's okay. Thank you all for participating today.
I think that a number of individuals from this table don't have the benefit of the extensive experience of the FCM structure, and I've heard two hours of dialogue about seg customer movements between the clearinghouses and the exchanges, and as the conversations continued, it appears that this is an extraordinarily myopic view of the current safeguard structure that operates in America and has effectively worked, to the best of my knowledge, for years.
This safeguard structure in this financial framework is not just about customer seg money moving from FCMs to exchanges, it is based on layers of partners and components across banking institutions who are approved to be exchange settlement banks, exchanges approved participating FCMs. FCMs do credit reviews of clients. It's layered. Everybody has a role, some of the roles cross over. There's segregation rules, there's segregation calculation. There's now capital rules. There's now capital calculations. There's rule of 15(c)(3) about what can be done of the firm while FCMs are holding them.
So, as we continue the conversation this afternoon, I want everyone to consider the fact that there's a greater framework at hand here, one that has actually worked extremely well. One of the comments that I've heard over the last couple of weeks is how do we prevent a Lehman from happening here? We did. Lehman happened in the U.K.; it did not happen in America.
So, I think that Bob does want to explore the risk components this afternoon, and I want everyone to consider the wider framework that does effectively work at this time, always looking at ways to enhance this to protect customer funds. There's no question about that. But an enhancement is different than the entire change to an infrastructure."
MR. WASSERMAN: I would just make one note in response.
Certainly, Lehman was an example of how well things worked in the future seg world, (in protecting customer funds in futures accounts) and I am very gratified, one might even say personally gratified at how that happened such that futures customers, I think, things worked well with barely a hiccup. But understand that Lehman was an issue outside of the customer account. This was not due to a fellow customer, this was due to a problem essentially on the prop level and at the parent level.
What we're dealing with here is what happens if there is a problem at the customer level, and while that has been happily very rare in the future space, and very happily so, and that's in large part due to the excellent work that's done by a lot of people over here both at the clearinghouse and at the firms, we're bringing in a new environment here on the OTC, where it would be, I feel, a little bit premature to assume just how well things are going to work.
Obviously, we hope that we are developing a system where things will work as
7 well, but there's some different risks that we're going to be confronting, and, so, there's some different issues out there. With that, I think it's important to talk about what the costs are on the risk level because this absolutely changes the risk environment..."
CFTC Roundtable Discussion: Individual Customer Collateral Protection, Oct 22, 2010, transcript.
The November 2011 testimony of the CFTC's Gary Gensler on the taking of customer money at MF Global.
Testimony of CFTC's Gary Gensler on February 29, 2012
